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This page offers resources for having some fun with M2C. No one should take it seriously or get offended.

Wednesday, July 29, 2026

Sunstone film ethics and M2C

The upcoming Sunstone Symposium in Utah has a screening of a documentary of an M2C voyage to Mesoamerica.

I can't be there but if anyone knows if the film is available online, I'd like to know about it.

https://sunstone.zohobackstage.com/SunstoneSymposium#/agenda?day=3&lang=en

The session focuses on the ethics of showing the film. Here's an excerpt from the description:

When the film was first presented to the public in a big auditorium at Stanford, it got laughs in unlikely moments that have led Jake to reflect on the ethics of this documentary. After the film, Jake will discuss the thoughts he's had on whether the film is making fun of the film's participants or providing them an audience to share their heartfelt testimony. 

This blog has some fun with the M2C as a theory, but we like the M2Cers all as people and respect their various beliefs. 

Still, it's not difficult to imagine why the screening generated laughs. 


276. Screening: For the Love of God (2019), directed and produced by Jake Chamberlain at Stanford University

Full Schedule
Sat, Aug 01, 2026, 05:55 PM - 06:55 PM (MDT)
Theater
Speakers
Jake Chamberlain
Moderator Brent Bokovoy
Description

In For the Love of God, a group of sixty Mormons study the scriptures in a dark room aboard a luxury cruise ship at sea, while the rest of the vacationers enjoy the pool, gambling, drinks, and other activities. The Mormon group is delighted to take in presentations by the likes of John Bytheway and lectures arguing that the Book of Mormon took place among the Mayan civilization. The cruise ship docks and an ethnically Mayan anthropologist and member of the LDS Church leads the group through the ruins at Tulum. He points out where he believes ancient Mayans did temple rituals that Mormons would be familiar with and several symbols carved in the stone architecture that might depict Book-of-Mormon stories. Members of the group describe their feelings at seeing the sites and the narrator, Jake Chamberlain, reflects on the entire tour phenomenon and notions of belief and evidence. When the film was first presented to the public in a big auditorium at Stanford, it got laughs in unlikely moments that have led Jake to reflect on the ethics of this documentary. After the film, Jake will discuss the thoughts he's had on whether the film is making fun of the film's participants or providing them an audience to share their heartfelt testimony. 


Tuesday, July 21, 2026

Monday, March 9, 2026

M2C and B-2


Iran published a photo claiming to have shot down a B-2 bomber,  


but they have absolutely no understanding of the size of a B-2 bomber.


https://x.com/netsensor1/status/2030767366020518003?s=20


M2Cers publish maps of Cumorah


But they have absolutely no understanding of what the prophets have taught about Cumorah.


Monday, February 2, 2026

AI absurdity

Someone sent me these AI versions of M2C. 

Arnold Frieberg's "European" style of Book of Mormon scenes was dramatic but highly fictionalized. 

But the M2Cers have raised absurdity to a higher level.

To be fair, I can't tell if this is pro-M2C or simply another anti-MO fantasy.

We have Ammon defending a flock of---turkeys!

Moroni decked out with jade, which is never mentioned in the text (part of the missing big 3 Js: jade, jungles and jaguars).

See for yourselves.









https://www.instagram.com/zandersturgill/p/DUIr_jCDinJ/


Friday, August 1, 2025

M2C still ongoing

It's easy to spot the parallels between M2C and the Russia collusion hoax.

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SCARY: Tulsi Gabbard CONFIRMS That ‘Operation Mockingbird’ is STILL Ongoing inside the CIA and she is actively trying to Shut it Down. Tulsi says Deep State intel agents are still actively colluding with left-wing media outlets to attack President Trump from within: “There are people in the intelligence community who believe their will is more important than the will of the American people.” “They weaponize intelligence by leaking it to their friends in the media with the intent of undermining President Trump’s agenda.” Operation Mockingbird was a covert CIA program aimed at influencing U.S. media to shape public opinion. Declassified in 1977 through FOIA requests and detailed in a congressional report, it involved infiltrating newsrooms, planting stories, and recruiting journalists—some knowingly, others not—at major outlets like The New York Times, Time, and CBS.

Monday, July 21, 2025

BMAF retrospective

One of our favorite M2C organizations was the Book of Mormon Archaeological Forum, or BMAF. 

They were a delightful group of hard-core M2Cers whose logo depicted M2C:


Their website has been scrubbed (the link bmaf.org now goes to Scripture Central, of all things), but of course it is archived.

And their google group is still available. They will probably delete it after this post, but it is all archived already. If they delete it, we'll post their articles here anyway.

The BMAF google group introduction is a good summary of how they saw the world. Original in blue, my comments in red, emphasis added.

We hope you will enjoy becoming a member of BMAF (Book of Mormon Archaeological Forum)  a not-for-profit organization dedicated as an open forum for research and evidences regarding Book of Mormon archaeology, anthropology, geography and culture within a Mesoamerican context.   

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This exclusive focus on Mesoamerica was also in their official purpose statement, as we can see in their website from 20 years ago. 

After I emphasized that point a few years ago, they edited their statement to make it more general, but they forgot about their google group, which makes their obsession with Mesoamerica even more explicit (see below).

While not associated with the LDS Church, we espouse it's doctrine and scriptures and all our content is pro-Mormon.  

Our website (www.bmaf.org) is one of the most-visited Book of Mormon apologetic sites on the internet with over 300 scholarly articles.  

Whether they are scholarly is obviously debatable, but it probably was one of the most visited sites, given the participation of various BYU scholars and even emeritus General Authorities, all trying to persuade Latter-day Saints to reject what Joseph, Oliver, their contemporaries and successors taught about the New York Cumorah.

Our contributors range from ordinary people who love and study the Book of Mormon to PhD's and university professors.  We also post articles from current and former members of the RLDS church.  
We maintain a Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/groups/bmaf.org/?fref=ts
as well as many You Tube videos of presentations at our conferences at http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bmaforg&oq=bmaforg&gs.

Unfortunately, much if not all of that material has been purged from the Internet, except what is still in the archives at Scripture Central.

Though we edit all material before we present it to the public, we do not require that it conforms to our ideas.  You will often read articles from several points of view.  

Such openness is rare among academics.

Our only absolute criteria is that the Book of Mormon took place in Mesoamerica.  

Oops! Their "only absolute criteria" is intolerance of the views of faithful Latter-day Saints--including what Joseph and Oliver taught. So much for academic freedom, inquiry curiosity, transparency, etc.

We encourage comments and feedback from our members and often put them on our website. You may quote any material on this site as long as you give attribution.

Given this "absolute criteria," it is useful to see who was involved with BMAF.

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10 years ago, BMAF sent this invitation:

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BMAF's 2016 conference featured some of the usual suspects, including Brant Gardner whose recent series in the Interpreter and Meridian Magazine continues to promote M2C:



Finally, all the way back in 2008, they reported on their Book of Mormon tours and the speakers at their annual gathering:

2008 BMAF CONFERENCE SCHEDULED FOR SATURDAY, OCTOBER 18TH
at the Red Lion Hotel in Salt Lake City, Utah

MARK YOUR CALENDAR NOW! CHECK SOON FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON THIS WEBSITE.

Spring 2008 BMAF Book of Mormon tour

Every Spring BMAF sponsors a one-week tour with an LDS scholar to Book of Mormon lands. Each year a different area of Mesoamerica is explored. Past tours have included most of the proposed Book of Mormon sites.

Since BMAF is a non-profit organization it is able to provide the best possible study/touring experience at the lowest possible prices.

On February 11th, 2008, BMAF tour members visited the famous archaeological site of Copan in Honduras and Quirigua in Guatemala and explored the Lago de Izabel area on the Caribbean coast of Guatemala by boat.

The BMAF tour in 2007 visited many of the famous Olmec (possibly Jaredite) sites along the Gulf of Mexico.

5th annual BMAF conference a huge success!

Saturday, October 20th goes down in history as the most successful conference held by the Book of Mormon Archaeological Forum to date. Well over 200 people attended a packed hall at the Red Lion Hotel in Salt Lake City to hear John W. Welch , the keynote speaker; John Bytheway , the featured lunch speaker; Dr. John Lund , Brant Gardner , Dr. F. Richard Hauck , Michael Ash , and Elder Ted E. Brewerton .

[Click on each name for a brief synopsis of their presentation. Complete transcripts of all presentations from this conference as well as prior conferences will appear on this website in the near future. All presentations can be downloaded free of charge from the BMAF website.]

BMAF conducts a Book of Mormon archaeological forum once each year in October.







Sunstone film ethics and M2C

The upcoming Sunstone Symposium in Utah has a screening of a documentary of an M2C voyage to Mesoamerica. I can't be there but if anyone...